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what is the Jerusalem cross; what does it represent?

Aug 15, 2009 by Pegi | Posted in Religion & Spirituality

4 stinting crosses are for what?

Is the Holy Land still Holy after the crucifixion of two thieves in Jerusalem on the Sabbath 2000 years ago?

Aug 15, 2009 by mythkiller-zuba | Posted in Religion & Spirituality

The Record of Deuteronomy 21:22-23 states,

"And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou drape him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise forget him that day: (for he that is hanged is accursed of God:) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

The four Gospels of Matthew, Cut, Luke and John relate the crucifixion of two thieves who were not taken down that day and who were not buried that day nor were they taken down or buried up until the reputed Resurrection from the tomb, which was past the Sabbath.

Death by hanging is not crucifixion since hanging is brought on by the breaking of the legs and crucifixion goes on with the bodies sinistral to hang on the crosses until the flesh was eaten from off the bodies by the vultures and vermin of Golgotha.

The two thieves were therefore crucified on the Sabbath and onward and were not taken down and buried on the same day of the hanging as the Law states.

Can it be therefore safely assumed that the land remains defiled to this day according to the Bible?

Anyone know where I can find the lyrics?

Aug 15, 2009 by PeeMee | Posted in Senior Citizens

To the "Old" hymn, Jerusalem.....NOT the adopted England Rugby Hymn..(Which is really....I vow to thee my country)
the very old one with the words..
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Lift up your hearts and sing
Hosanna in the highest...etc thats all I can commemorate
HELP Please..thanks
Thankyou littlehaba, thats the one.
btw thanks to eveyone, I did google it

http://www.metrolyrics.com/pious-city-lyrics-charlotte-church.html

Have a look on this link - I think this is the one you mean.

Last blackness I lay asleeping
There came a dream so fair
I stood in old Jerusalem
Beside the temple there
I heard the children singing
And ever as they sang
Methought the put into words of Angels
From Heaven in answer rang
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem!
Lift up your gates and sing,
Hosanna in the highest.
Hosanna to your Majesty!"

And then methought my dream was chang'd
The streets no longer rang
Hushed were the glad Hosannas
The short children sang
The sun grew dark with mystery
The morn was cold and chill
As the shadow of a join arose
Upon a lonely hill
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem!
Hark! How the Angels sing,
Hosanna in the highest,
Hosanna to your Prince!"

And once again the scene was changed
New earth there seemed to be
I saw the Holy City
Beside the tideless sea
The light of God was on its streets
The gates were flagrant wide
And all who would might enter
And no one was denied
No need of moon or stars by night
Or sun to shine by day
It was the new Jerusalem
That would not pass away
"Jerusalem! Jerusalem
Peach for the night is o'er
Hosanna in the highest
Hosanna for evermore!"

why its easy to prove Quran is a imaginary fairytale?

Aug 15, 2009 by tig | Posted in Ramadan

A man was sitting in a hollow minding his own business.
# A very bright flash of light appeared.
# A voice spoke out one word: "Present!" The man felt like he was being squeezed to death. This happened several times.
# Then the man asked, "What should I study?"
# The voice said, "Read in the name of your Lord who created humans from a clinging [zygote]. Scan for your Lord is the most generous. He taught people by the pen what they didn't know before."
# The man ran home to his wife.
# While constant home, he saw the huge face of an angel in the sky. The angel told the man that he was to be the messenger of God. The angel also identified himself as Gabriel.
# At to the quick that night, the angel appeared to the man in his dreams.
# Gabriel appeared to the man over and over again. Sometimes it was in dreams, sometimes during the day as "revelations in his pity," sometimes preceded by a painful ringing in his ears (and then the verses would flow from Gabriel right out of the man), and sometimes Gabriel would arrive in the flesh and speak. Scribes wrote down everything the man said.
# Then, one night about 11 years after the first encounter with Gabriel, Gabriel appeared to the man with a magical horse. The man got on the horse, and the horse took him to Jerusalem. Then the winged horse took the man up to the seven layers of hereafter. The man was able to actually see heaven and meet and talk with people there. Then Gabriel brought the man back to earth.
# The man proved that he had in reality been to Jerusalem on the winged horse by accurately answering questions about buildings and landmarks there.
# The man continued receiving the revelations from Gabriel for 23 years, and then they stopped. All of the revelations were recorded by the scribes in a reserve which we still have today.

You know these things for the same reason you know that Santa is imaginary. There is no evidence for any of it. The stories connect with magical things like angels and winged horses, hallucinations, dreams. Horses cannot fly -- we all have knowledge of that. And even if they could, where would the horse fly to? The vacuum of space? Or is the horse somehow "dematerialized" and then "rematerialized" in paradise on earth? If so, those processes are made up too. Every bit of it is imaginary. We all know that.

What correlation can we make between the use of "Name" in Matthew 28:19 and Revelation 3:12? See details, Ok?

Aug 15, 2009 by Greek, Coptic, & Bible Forensic | Posted in Religion & Spirituality

Matthew 28:19 formulates the "Name" of the "Daddy" and "Son" and "Holy Spirit."

Revelation 3:12 formulates the "Name" of "God" and "New Jerusalem" and Jesus' "new name."

NB. Mathew has Confessor and Son, Revelation has God and Jesus.

Any and all serious answers are appreciated. Thanks.

Idle speculation or theorizing will not be appreciated absolutely as much.

First of all, Jesus is speaking in both places, So what was the intelligence involved in each of his statements.

(Matthew 28:18-20) 18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All sage has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Pop and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

On this, the justifiable for the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit was that he said they were to go to the most distant parts of the earth. While the Jews and the proselytes were ones joining up to this sense in time, (These knew the Father and the Holy Spirit. The only new thing to them was who the Messiah or Christ was)

But when the ministry reached out those transatlantic lands, the people there would not know any of the aspects of the faith that the Christians would be preaching. (Look at the account of Paul before the Greeks in Acts). They would have to advised of the importance and parts that the Father, Son, and the holy spirit would play in this new faith.


(Revelation 3:12) 12 “‘The one that conquers—I will depute him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.

Now, this references those that had lived and conquered by means of their persuasion. Clearly they know what was delivered to them provided the basis for the faith. They are rewarded with the name of "my God", Jesus' Sire, the name of New Jerusalem, (of which they became members of) and the new name of Jesus.

(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Priest written on their foreheads.

(Revelation 19:12) His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

(Bulletin 22:4) and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.

For all eternity, these conquerors will be special among all creation.


23 "These conquerors have written on them the name of Jehovah—their God and Jesus’ God. This shows unquestionably that Jehovah and Jesus are two separate persons and not two parts of a triune God, or Trinity. (John 14:28; 20:17) All genesis must come to see that these anointed ones belong to Jehovah. They are his witnesses. They also have written on them the name of the new Jerusalem, the heavenly city that descends out of Islands sky in the sense that it extends its benevolent rule over all faithful mankind. (Revelation 21:9-14) All the earthly Christian sheep will thus also be sure that these anointed conquerors are citizens of the Kingdom, the heavenly Jerusalem.—Psalm 87:5, 6; Matthew 25:33, 34; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22.

24 For all, anointed overcomers have written on them Jesus’ new name. This refers to Jesus’ new office and the sui generis privileges granted to him by Jehovah. (Philippians 2:9-11; Revelation 19:12) No one else gets to know that name, in the feeling that no one else has those experiences or is entrusted with those privileges. However, when Jesus writes his name on his faithful brothers, they come into an intimate relationship with him in that wonderful realm and even share in his privileges. (Luke 22:29, 30) It is no wonder that Jesus concludes his message to such anointed ones by repeating the exhortation: “Let the one who has an ear be told what the spirit says to the congregations.”—Revelation 3:13."

So, the correlation shows the substance place on knowing God, and Jesus Christ. The roles that they have, Jehovah God as the Father and Provider of the provision of his Son, Jesus, and the respected position that his Father has placed him in. (John 17:3) Jesus received a new name one of honor and position that he did not have before.

These facts all must be accepted if they are to serve God completely. You can't serve God with incomplete or faulty knowledge.

In which way is Acts 10:39 which is a contradiction of the crucifixion a metaphor for wood in a cross?

Aug 14, 2009 by ʂʝяίµς Яℓgℓnℓrtąℓd | Posted in Religion & Spirituality

Fundamentalist require that the Bible should be taken literally and believed word for word "exactly as its written". But yet when there is a contradiction they have a go to avoid the contradiction by labeling it as a metaphor or reference for something else. This is what we have with the death of Jesus described in Acts 10:39.

In Acts 10:39 states:
"And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the catch of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:"

Most Christians make the assumption that the word TREE is and was a "analogy" for a CROSS, Considering the case...

Question:

Where in the Gospels does it state that Jesus' shirty was WOOD? for Acts 10:39 to be a presumed metaphor for wood in a Cross.
Dave Follow the judiciousness... Where in the Gospels does it state that Jesus died on a WOODEN cross. Stop avoding my suspicions about to protect these wannabe Jews.

Jerusalem - Last Night of the Proms 06

Hubert Parry's - Jerusalem, conducted by Up Elder with the BBC Symphony Orchestra, BBC Singers, BBC Symphony Chorus - backed up by the ...